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In The Presence of Mine Enemies by RvBOMally In The Presence of Mine Enemies by RvBOMally
Another parallelism experiment, akin to my TL-191 "remake", that instead takes a second look at Turtledove's In the Presence of Mine Enemies. The original story had a lot of ham-fisted parallelism with the Third Reich and OTL's USSR, so I decided to take it further. Many thanks to those who gave me ideas for this, and to SRegan for making the ITPME base map!

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  • Roosevelt was assassinated in 1933, leading to America's isolation from WWII and, ultimately, Axis victory. The fact that the Germans developed nukes by 1943 has led to some questions being asked after the fall of the Third Reich, particularly since a lot of advanced nuclear science seemed to appear out of nowhere.
  • The United States was defeated in WWIII, which took place in the late 60s and early 70s. The United States was carved up between Germany and Japan, and its regional allies, Canada and Mexico.
  • The Third Reich naturally collapses into a myriad of different independent states, with the German Federal Republic being the largest and most powerful of them all. This GFR is still massive, spanning from the French border to roughly Brest-Litovsk borders. Naturally, led by a President who was once part of the SS. The GFR recently invaded Denmark, and is intervening on behalf of the government in Tartary.
  • The Japanese Empire liberalized in the 1960s and spun off many of its conquered territories as puppet states, and opted for economy rather than military supremacy in the face of superior German arms. The Japanese Empire is the sole remaining superpower, and was engaged in a war against terrorist communist Slavs in the former German territories in European Russia. Currently intervening on the side of anti-government, anti-Red Army rebels in Tartary.
  • Tartary was invaded by Japan, but after withdrawal the government came under the influence of the Union of Turkestan and the GFR. It is now the base of operation for the New Red Army, a neo-Stalinist organization that seeks to recreate the USSR and expand its influence throughout Eurasia.
  • After years of occupation, China was spun off as an independent republic by the Japanese in the aftermath of WWIII (the Japanese could ill-afford to occupy two massive countries at once). The Chinese remain loyal allies to the Japanese, although they do insist that they are the fathers of Eastern civilization. Ironically, of all the countries in the world, China remains one of Japan's closest allies, the other being the Caucasian Union.
  • The Caucasian Union was a post-Third Reich state that became a quick Japanese ally. The Caucasians are proudly Muslim, and treat their Christian populations rather poorly. This has led to the rise of Christian terrorist/freedom fighter organizations in the country, some of which are ironically funded by the Muslim Union of Turkestan.
  • The Italian Empire is a rising superpower to challenge the Japanese, and is using its oceans of slave labor in Africa and the Middle East to flood the world markets as the workshop of the world. Currently involved in a dispute over authority in Malta, which the British still claim. Italy was once close to Japan, particularly after the Italo-German Split (over the issue of anti-Semitism in fascism and territorial disputes in Tyrolia), but they are growing closer to Germany again. The Italian Empire houses the last Jews in Europe, at least the ones who aren't hiding in the Wehrmacht.
  • Spain is a rising power, and has surprisingly become a tech giant. People say that Spain will be the new global superpower, after the inevitable fall of Japan and Italy. Most of these people speak Spanish.
  • Brazil and South Africa are other rising powers, and with Germany, Italy and Spain form the GIBSS Bloc, which is rising to challenge the Japanese.
  • Britain did not surrender until the very end of the war, when the first two atomic bombs were used against it. Surprisingly, the Germans were keen on rebuilding Britain as part of the New Order, and the post-war British eschewed their democratic past and instead embraced fascism with zeal. They are still like this, even after the fall of the Third Reich. The post-war British economy has been defined by high technology products, for which the British are still famous.
  • France was divided into two zones, the German-occupied north and the "free" south, during WWII. While these were supposed to be united after the war, the Germans opted to keep the French divided, and allowed Vichy France to fall into the Italian sphere of influence after the Italo-German Split. After the fall of the Third Reich, France has reunited.
  • The United States was under German occupation for a long time, and is just now rebuilding. It is now the most powerful economy in North America, and is demanding that its satellites in the Japanese-backed NAU pay their debts.
  • Canada was an American ally for a long time, but turned on the Americans after the Germans seized much of the east and the king threw out the current government. The Canadians are currently suffering from severe economic trouble after years of corrupt government.
  • India was divided in two between the Germans and Japanese. The Japanese-backed Azad Hind (East India) is a flourishing democracy, while the German-backed Aryan Union of India (West India) is one of the few remaining National Socialist states on Earth. West India's form of National Socialism has adopted a lot of Islamic elements, and has even recently repudiated Mein Kampf as being "too soft on the Jewish question."
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:icon123456789jd:
123456789JD Featured By Owner Aug 5, 2017
Are there any states that treat Jews decently at least in this Nazi-dominated nightmare world?
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:iconmetalheadjohn:
metalheadjohn Featured By Owner May 24, 2017  Student Writer
Do the Japanese have a Vietnam Analog? or an Afghanistan analog for the Germans?
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wilji1090 Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2017  Hobbyist Artist
If there's one thing I never understood about In the Presence of Mine Enemies it was the fact the USA was never partitioned in the book....
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:iconthe-vet:
The-Vet Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2017
1. What are the equivalents of Cuba and Romania here?
2. Was there an equivalent of the Tianamen Square masacare in Rome?
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:iconhistoryman14:
Historyman14 Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2017
How is World War 1, 2, and 3? 
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:iconhayaba1:
Hayaba1 Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2016
1. Who's in charge in Ireland? The local fascists or is it still a democracy?
2. Is the country to the south of Russia some sort of Cossack nation?
3. What is the ruling family of West India called and what title does their dictator hold?
4. Is the ROC descended from Wang Jingwei's regime with the whole "end of the occupation" being when the ROC regained full independence?
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:iconrvbomally:
RvBOMally Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2016  Hobbyist Artist
1. Local fascists. 
2. Yes.
3. This guy: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badi%27_…, and President
4. Yes.
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:iconmetalheadjohn:
metalheadjohn Featured By Owner May 26, 2016  Student Writer
just a random thought. but i've always wanted to see a map based on Spike Tv's God-Awful Alternate History Special.
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:iconrvbomally:
RvBOMally Featured By Owner May 26, 2016  Hobbyist Artist
I've considered it, but I would be better off doing a Wolfenstein: The New Order cover.
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:iconmetalheadjohn:
metalheadjohn Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2016  Student Writer
i was actually considering making a Napoleonic version of Wolfenstein: The New Order. either that or Napoleonic Fatherland.
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:iconrvbomally:
RvBOMally Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2016  Hobbyist Artist
Those are pretty good ideas.
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:iconmetalheadjohn:
metalheadjohn Featured By Owner May 26, 2016  Student Writer
seems reasonable
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:iconhayaba1:
Hayaba1 Featured By Owner May 15, 2016
Is Ireland ruled by it's local Fascist movement or is it a democracy?
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:iconhayaba1:
Hayaba1 Featured By Owner May 13, 2016
Is there a comedy movie in the Japanese Empire about a Russian journalist who makes a "documentary" about Japan?
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Eluxivo Featured By Owner May 4, 2016
so what was Italys competence upgrade, post-Hitler German elements"descarting"Mussolini? and what does parallel the Chinese civil war and cultural revolution struggles between axis moderates and hardlieners perhaps...
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:iconrvbomally:
RvBOMally Featured By Owner May 4, 2016  Hobbyist Artist
Italy rode on Germany's coattails, but threw out the anti-Semites in the 1960s. 
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jrh222 Featured By Owner Apr 30, 2016
I've noticed that you decided to drift from OTL parallelism more than you did with 191.2, interesting. What was Japan's Vietnam?
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:iconrvbomally:
RvBOMally Featured By Owner Apr 30, 2016  Hobbyist Artist
Yeah, a necessity given the limitations of the source material. I'm not sure if Japan had a Vietnam. Maybe Vietnam, but they won? 
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MrImperatorRoma Featured By Owner Apr 29, 2016  Hobbyist
Nice that Italy got some love.
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grisador Featured By Owner Apr 29, 2016
How is life at empire of italy ?
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SRegan Featured By Owner Apr 28, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Really interesting - thanks for the name-check! I'm surprised Japan didn't try to break more pieces off China. What would Britain's Hiroshima and Nagasaki be? I did a quick calc and you're looking for cities around 4-5% the size of London (Tokyo) in the 40s. Southampton and Kingston-upon-Hull? Both were industrial and naval targets.
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:iconrvbomally:
RvBOMally Featured By Owner Apr 28, 2016  Hobbyist Artist
Southampton and Kingston-upon-Hull are good choices! Consider that "canon." 
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Zomg420 Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2016
As a reversal of Japan, does Britain worship it's monarch as a 'God-King' now? Are Edward's descendants on the throne, who have embraced fascism? Is the German main party called Greater Germany or something along those lines, and does the NSDAP still continue to exist as a puppet "opposition" party?

Also what's that internal division in France about? Didn't see it mentioned.
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:iconrvbomally:
RvBOMally Featured By Owner Apr 28, 2016  Hobbyist Artist
Nope, no God-King stuff. 

Edward's descendants are on the throne. 

The main German party is the German Unity Party. The NSDAP does remain as an opposition party that mostly old pensioners and edgy rebel teens support. 

I mentioned it in the text.
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OneHellofaBird Featured By Owner Apr 28, 2016
Ed 8 having descendants? I think I've fainted. 
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SkyPotatoFire Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2016
Nice!
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:iconhayaba1:
Hayaba1 Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2016
1. Was Subhas Chandra Bose the Indian *Syngman Rhee?
2. Where is the capital of East India? Caluctta? Madras/Chennai?
3. Does Australia use the Ballarat/Eureka flag with a Japanese symbol inserted in it?
4. Is Fascist Britain infamous for the fact it views itself as Hobbes' Leviathan made manifest?
5. Have the Uighurs just rejected independence in a referendum?
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:iconrvbomally:
RvBOMally Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2016  Hobbyist Artist
1. Yes.
2. Calcutta. 
3. The Eureka flag, no Japanese symbol.
4. Yes.
5. Yes.
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:iconhayaba1:
Hayaba1 Featured By Owner Edited Apr 28, 2016
What ideologies do Japanese *Bernie Sanders and *Donald Trump preach and what is analogous to the controversy surrounding the Confederate Flag?
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:iconinfernomole:
InfernoMole Featured By Owner Apr 28, 2016
1. Presumably mild, democratic national socialism, with heavy leaning on the "socialism" side, and just plain conservative nationalism.
2. ...The controversy surrounding the Republic of Ezo flag?
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:iconhayaba1:
Hayaba1 Featured By Owner Apr 28, 2016
Maybe we could have an incident where a Korean nationalist attacked a Shinto shrine as an analogue to the attack on an African-American church?
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:iconmetalheadjohn:
metalheadjohn Featured By Owner Apr 29, 2016  Student Writer
maybe anti-Korean segregation laws coul be analogous to the Jim Crow laws and a Korean Martin Luther King Junior could assist in a civil rights movement for the Japanese empire
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:iconmetalheadjohn:
metalheadjohn Featured By Owner Apr 28, 2016  Student Writer
perhaps the Korean flag?
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:iconmetalheadjohn:
metalheadjohn Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2016  Student Writer
are you planning on doing any other parallelism experiments?
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Laputa-Scorefinger Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2016
Sweden could kind of be Moldova here ... but if that was the case, the Republic of Jämtland should be our Transnistria! :)
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:iconrvbomally:
RvBOMally Featured By Owner Apr 28, 2016  Hobbyist Artist
Hm, could work.
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:iconkubocaskett:
KuboCaskett Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2016  Student General Artist
You know, I actually think this world laid out by Turtledove is more plausible than Man in the High Castle given that by the time WWIII comes Germany and Japan have the resources to truly compete with the USA and invade it.
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:iconrvbomally:
RvBOMally Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2016  Hobbyist Artist
Turtledove may have cribbed the idea from Hitler himself, who in his unpublished second book admitted that invading the United States would not be possible until at least after he died and won the war in Eurasia. 
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KuboCaskett Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2016  Student General Artist
Hmm even Hitler himself knows invading the US in WWII would be an impossible feat.
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LogoP Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2016
I think this is one of Turtledove's more underrated works. Great job!
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:iconmetalheadjohn:
metalheadjohn Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2016  Student Writer
hey RvBOMally, how long does it usually take to make these maps?
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:iconrvbomally:
RvBOMally Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2016  Hobbyist Artist
Depends on the map.
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:iconmetalheadjohn:
metalheadjohn Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2016  Student Writer
RvBOMally, i was thinking about how the Division of the USA in Man in the High Castle was similar to the Division of Germany in real life. This Map has inspired me to make a version of Man in the High Castle with increased parallelism. do you have any ideas?
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DrNietzsche Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2016
You wouldn't happen to know where I could find SRegan's ITPOME map, would you?
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:iconrvbomally:
RvBOMally Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2016  Hobbyist Artist
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:icondrnietzsche:
DrNietzsche Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2016
Danke.
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:iconinfernomole:
InfernoMole Featured By Owner Edited Apr 27, 2016
Germany: Russia
Italy: China
Japan: USA
Netherlands: Belarus
New Red Army: ISIS
West India: North Korea
East India: South Korea
Spain: India 
Brazil and South Africa: themselves
Norway: Ukraine


that's all i got
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:iconmetalheadjohn:
metalheadjohn Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2016  Student Writer
China: UK
Caucasian Union: Israel
France: Germany
Britain: Japan
Mexico: ?
American Buffer: ?
ARA: ?
Belize/New York: Kaliningrad? 
Peru: ?
Argentina: ?
Portugal: Pakistan
Ireland: ?
Russia: Kazahkstan
Arabia: Mongolia? 
Iran: ?
Manchuria: Mexico
Tibet: Ireland
Turkestan: Syria?
not sure about the North American Nation Analogs
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:iconinfernomole:
InfernoMole Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2016
How are Russians treated in the world? What other countries think of them?
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:iconkyuzoaoi:
kyuzoaoi Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2016   Artist
West India is Nazi Pakistan?
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